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It's an Inside Job
The Contrarian Mindset - Cancelling the Fear of Conflict
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Most people don’t like conflict. But some fear it so much they avoid it entirely—and that avoidance can quietly erode communication, teamwork, and leadership.
In this BiteSize Fridays episode of It’s an Inside Job, I unpack the fear of conflict through the experience of Michael, a thoughtful senior financial analyst who avoided disagreement at all costs. His calm exterior masked deep discomfort. But when team dynamics and innovation began to suffer, he realized: his fear wasn’t protecting peace—it was preventing progress.
Through Michael’s journey, we explore how the contrarian mindset helps us see conflict not as something to fear, but as a powerful doorway to truth, trust, and meaningful growth.
Perfect for You If You’re Asking:
- Why do I always shut down when tension rises?
- How can I stay composed during tough conversations?
- Is there a way to be direct without being combative?
- How do I stop mistaking silence for harmony?
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
- Why avoiding conflict can do more harm than good
- How to recognize when conflict is a signal, not a threat
- Simple techniques to stay grounded in tense situations
- How to build deeper trust and psychological safety through open dialogue
- Practical tools to turn discomfort into clarity and connection
If you find yourself retreating from conflict to “keep the peace,” this episode gives you the mindset and skills to lean in—gently, intentionally, and powerfully.
Contrarian Strategies from This Episode
- Practice quiet courage
Courage doesn’t always roar. Sometimes it means staying present when your instinct is to flee. Small acts of honesty can reshape a team dynamic. - Build social bridges
Ask open, curious questions. Hold space for differing perspectives. You don’t need all the answers—you just need to create room for real ones to emerge. - Embrace obstacles as opportunities
That gut feeling of discomfort? It’s a clue. When handled with care, conflict reveals what matters most—and where the real breakthroughs live. - Focus on reality, not emotional reality
Name the emotion. Acknowledge the tension. Then anchor in what’s actually been said—not what fear wants you to hear. - Practice equanimity
Stay steady in the storm. Use breath, grounding questions, and calm body awareness to remain present—even when things get hard. That presence is contagious.
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Music. Well, welcome to Bite Size Fridays on It's an Inside Job, your weekly dose of resilience and perspective to carry you into the weekend. In our last series, we focused on the 12 core skills of the contrarian mindsets, tools to build real, lasting resilience. But mindset isn't just about what we grow, it's also about what we face. This series dives into the fears and mental habits that quietly hold us back, like perfectionism, imposter syndrome, or the fear of conflict and failure. Most advice teaches you how to sidestep these fears. Well, this series, it helps you meet them head on, one mindset at a time, one breakthrough at a time. Music. The most intense conflicts, if overcome, leave behind a sense of security and calm that is not easily disturbed. And that's a famous quote by Carl Jung. When conflict shows up, whether it's a tense meeting, a difference of opinion, or a relationship that's got a little strained, how do you respond? Do you lean in or do you pull back? Now, most people don't enjoy conflict, but some of us fear it so much that we avoid it entirely. And the truth is, avoiding conflict often costs us more than we think. Today, I want to tell you the story about Michael. He's a highly capable, intelligent leader who realized that his fear of conflict wasn't just about discomfort. It was quietly holding him back from being the kind of leader, a teammate, and a person he wanted to be. Michael was a senior financial analyst at a global corporation. Someone who could look at a complex data set and bring clarity in a way few others could. He had a reputation for being precise, thoughtful, and consistent. People trusted his insights, and professionally, he was solid. But underneath that competence was something he rarely spoke about his deep discomfort with conflict when disagreements emerged in meetings when ideas clashed or tension started to rise well michael would shrink back he'd pivot the conversation away he'd kind of gloss over the tension or quietly agree to things that he didn't actually support his instinct was always the same keep the peace don't rock the boat And on the surface, well, it worked. His team seemed calm, his meetings were cordial. There was no obvious confrontations. But over time, something began to crack beneath that surface. Important issues were left unspoken. Team members felt unheard. Different perspectives, which could have led to stronger decisions, well, they were left on the table. And the harmony Michael had worked so hard to protect, well, it started to feel shallow. In our coaching sessions, Michael told me about his aversion to conflict. He shared stories from his past. Growing up in a home where conflict meant yelling, it meant tension, disconnection. Disagreements weren't about solving problems. They were about power and pain. So it made sense that in adulthood, he did everything he could to avoid conflict. But now, while it was catching up to him, his team was drifting, innovation was stalling, and knew that something had to change. He said, I thought I was protecting the team by keeping things smooth, but I've realized I'm actually stopping them from being honest and maybe even from growing. That's when Michael hit a crossroads. That became the turning point. And from there, we got to work, not on forcing Michael to become combative or confrontational, far from that, but on helping him to see conflict in a new way, not as something to fear but as something to work with that there is such a thing as constructive conflict where we can be both direct and diplomatic where we can be both fair and firm so we used a number of the contrarian strategies but i'd like to share five of those that were top on michael's list that really worked for him practicing courage the first hurdle for michael well it was wrapping his head around courage and conflict for so long he probably pictured it as some kind of aggressive charge a dramatic showdown but I helped him see the true courage in these moments isn't about raising your voice or dominating conversation it's much quieter much more profound it's the subtle strength of speaking up when something just feels off when the room goes silent but you know there's an unspoken tension it's the leadership in and naming that tension out loud when everyone else is expertly avoiding eye contact. These aren't signs you're being difficult or disruptive. They are, in fact, profound acts of leadership. We refrain courage, not as charging into battle, but as the quiet fortitude to stay present when it's deeply uncomfortable. For Michael, this meant starting small. It was slowly, intentionally sharing his genuine thoughts during those tricky conversations. Even when his gut screamed to just stay quiet, it meant resisting the old urge to smooth over every disagreement just to maintain a fragile artificial peace in the room. He stopped prioritizing a silent room over an honest one. And little by little, this quiet courage started to shift the entire dynamic. It didn't just prevent problems, it created space for more honest dialogue, for people to truly hear each other. And from that deeper understanding, stronger, more authentic relationships began to form. It's amazing how a little bit of quiet courage can unlock so much. Practicing building social bridges. One of the strongest skills Michael developed was his incredible ability to build social bridges, right within the heart of conflict. Instead of falling into the common trap of choosing sides or trying to force a premature consensus, he learned to facilitate disagreement. This wasn't about him having all the answers. It was about him holding the space for others to find theirs. He started asking simple yet profoundly effective questions. Questions like, can you say more about that? I want to make sure I'm truly understanding your perspective. When things seem to diverge, I hear something a little different from what I expected there. Can we unpack that? What's at the core of this? These weren't just grand gestures. They were small, intentional moments that chipped away at walls and built up trust. Michael realized he didn't need to be the loudest voice, the most dominant personality, or the one with all the solutions. Instead, he became the person who made all the voices feel welcome and heard, even the dissenting ones. By doing this, Well, he transformed conflict from a perceived threat to something to be avoided at all costs into an actual bridge. A bridge connecting different viewpoints, different needs, and ultimately, well, leading to a stronger, more cohesive team. It's about leveraging the tension to pull people closer rather than pushing them apart. Embracing obstacles as opportunities. This was one of Michael's biggest mindset shifts, a true aha moment. He began to see the conflict isn't a barrier, it's a door. And what's behind that door? Well, that's where you'll find the real conversations that push things forward. That's where the truly creative breakthroughs happen, born from the friction of differing ideas. And yes, that's where the hard truth reside. The ones that are uncomfortable to hear, but absolutely essential for actual meaningful progress. Now, we spent a lot of time talking about how discomfort often acts as a powerful signal. If something feels hard to say, if your stomach is doing flips about bringing it up, chances are it's probably worth saying. That gut feeling isn't a sign of retreat, it's often a sign of importance. Once Michael began to embrace conflict as an opportunity for insight and growth, rather than just an unwelcome interruptions, well, his entire approach changed. He stopped strategically voiding tension and subtly steering conversations away from difficult topics. Instead, he started inviting it in, not for the sake of drama or to stir things up, but for the sake of greater clarity, deeper connection, and essential growth. He understood that sometimes you have to lean into the mess to find the magic. Focus on reality, not the emotional reality. For someone like Michael, conflict didn't just happen in the room. It happened inside him. It awakened in him a literal flood of emotion, a sudden tightness in the chest, a swirl of anxious thoughts, an overwhelming urge to escape the situation completely. It felt like a physical assault. But over time, he learned a crucial practice to pause, to hit that internal stop button, to first name the emotion, okay, I feel anxious right now, or I'm feeling defensive, to acknowledge it without judgment as simply a sensation. And then, and only then, to consciously shift his focus to what was actually happening in the external reality. What were the actual words spoken? Was there a misunderstanding in the way something was phrased? What concrete information needed to be clarified rather than interpreted through an emotional lens? By consciously staying with the facts and the objective reality instead of reacting solely from the powerful emotional undercurrent. Well, Michael was able to navigate even the most difficult conversations without getting completely overwhelmed. This for Michael was a game changer. he started to realize that not all conflict is our battles most of it in fact is just messy it's human it's necessary and facing it with a clear steady head rather than a heart pounding from emotional distortion well it made all the difference in his ability to resolve the issue effectively and to move forward he learned that feeling of conflict is often much bigger than the conflict itself. Practicing equanimity. Finally, we put a significant focus on helping Michael cultivate equanimity. That's the ability to stay calm and centered even when the situation around him became a swirling emotional storm. This isn't about being unfeeling, it's about being anchored. Michael learned simple yet incredibly effective practice to help him stay present and grounded. Things like taking a few deep intentional breaths right before he spoke. Asking himself grounding questions like, what's truly important right now? Or what's my intention in this moment? Simple mental check-ins to bring himself back to the present, to his body, to his breath. Instead of his old default of freezing up and shutting down or trying to flee the conversation when conflict surfaced, well, he learned to stay right in the moment. And with a sense of steadiness and a quiet compassion, not just for others, but for himself and the inherent difficulty of the situation. And that energy, that palpable, calm presence he began to exude, Well, it literally became contagious. His team noticed it. They felt it. They started to unconsciously follow his lead. And slowly but surely, the room itself transformed. It became a place where tough things could be said, where disagreement wasn't feared because everyone knew implicitly that they were in a space where it could be said safely. Equanimity creates psychological safety. And that's where the real work gets done. Michael's story is a tangible reminder that avoiding conflict doesn't actually preserve harmony in the long run. It merely delays essential growth. I mean, think about conflict as a signal. It's not a stop sign. It's a flare gun. It tells us loudly and clearly that something truly matters. It shows us precisely where we need more clarity, where deeper connection is needed, or where a significant change is overdue. When we face it with the right mindset, when we consciously choose to bring courage, genuine presence, and an open curiosity to the table, well, conflict doesn't just stop being a problem. It becomes a powerful catalyst for everything good. So let me ask you, where in your life right now are you sidestepping conflict? Not truly to protect others, but perhaps more to protect yourself from discomfort. Conflict isn't the enemy of connection. In so many ways, it's actually the doorway to it. And walking through that door, even just a little bit, just taking one courageous step, well, it can genuinely change everything. If you're curious to know how to build a contrarian mindset for greater resilience, fortitude, tenacity, psychological strength, and a sense of well-being, where you'll find links to the other episodes in the series in the show notes. So make sure you hit that subscribe button. And I'll be back next week with my long-form conversational episodes on Monday and the latest Bite Sites episode on Friday. And have yourself a relaxing and rejuvenating weekend. Music.